I’m leaning slightly down and right of absolute libertarian, but I already knew that. Interestingly, I’ve moved further towards the middle of libertarian from the right than the last time I took this several years ago.
Justin
on July 11, 2007 at 4:22 pm
That test appears on a Libertarian website. It shouldn’t be surprising that the questions lead most respondents toward a Libertarian position, or that a “high” score in both the economic and personal sections means that a person is a Libertarian.
Libertarians are full of Pie-in-the-Sky bumper-sticker fantasy positions, such as “Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more”, “Replace government welfare with private charity”, and “Let people control their own retirement”. I have never heard anyone present a rational explanation of why a “National ID card” would lead to some Orwellian big-brother nightmare. What’s a passport?
Libertarian positions are simplistic and their ideology sounds good on the surface. As long as you never have to implement them (by actually winning an election somewhere) you can hold yourself up as being intellectually superior to the major parties.
See how long the party lasts if they ever get to implement their crank ideas anywhere.
Justin is right, this site is put together by the Libertarian party and is intended to guide people toward that. A better measure of where you stand with historical perspective as well is the http://www.politicalcompass.org/
I scored, as I always do on that test, as absolute Libertarian.
Yes, the quiz was written by the Libertarian party to illustrate that there are political ideals other than just Conservative and Liberal (which the two-party system has encouraged as fact). Whether the high-score means your libertarian or not, or whether the test seems too simplified, its point is let you know that there is another party out there. A party that doesn’t believe the government should be involved in every aspect of our lives, but limited to only its constitutional powers and nothing more.
Justin, a passport is a document you carry with you to foreign lands to act as your ID. You are required to carry it where ever you go in those lands, because their laws are different from ours and you may be asked to produce your “papers” at any moment. If you do not have them, you will be detained and inconvenienced, if not jailed. A National ID card, from all reports, is a document that you would be REQUIRED to carry with you everywhere you go in the United States. Not just when you’re driving a car, or cashing a check, but everywhere. Additionally, it has never been satisfactorily reported what information would be put on someone’s National ID card. This will likely include information most Americans consider private, and could result in increases in identity theft as well as take away rights from those who have criminal records by including that record in their ID.
I guess your argument to that would be: Well, if you’re not doing anything wrong, what’re you worried about? First off, if I have done nothing wrong, then I’m innocent until proven guilty according to our constitution, and the burden of proof is on the government, so why should I be forced to produce a card, particularly one that may include prior injunctions against me? Wouldn’t that immediately violate my fifth amendment rights? Also, what happens if someone stops me, demands my ID card, and I don’t have it? Am I arrested for not having the card? These are just a few questions that the proponents for this card have not answered to my satisfaction, and therefore keep me suspect of any altruistic intention they may have for the cards.
And maybe you find Libertarian ideals as a whole “crank”, but I am willing to bet, that at some point in your life, the government has or will intrude beyond what they were originally intended to in the Constitution. So the question is, which ideal is more “crank”? A government that supports and defends your rights to a private life of your own choosing (whether for your good or ill), according to laws set down for this country at its founding, and only steps in when your choices will affect other people’s life and/or liberty, or a government that pre-emptively interferes in your life, restricting everyone’s liberties for the good of all?
I scored Libertarian (though not as firmly) as well on the Political Compass test. I think that’s because Political Compass is a bit more comprehensive, and I don’t take an entirely Libertarian view on every issue. However, just because I don’t believe one or two of their ideas will work as they propose, doesn’t mean I think all of their ideas are worthless. Quite the contrary, rather.
I personally think this country needs to stop fighting the right-left battle and pay more attention to the Authoritarian-Libertarian battle.
HA! I agree with the Ron Paul Revolution. They, NOT HIM, his followers, NOT HIM, freak me the hell out. I kinda like him, in a crazy uncle kind of way, but his zealots … Jesus …
On the good one, I’m plumb in the middle of the Libertarian Left.
The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03
Nice linky, Marshall
Sgt_Jake
on July 13, 2007 at 2:31 pm
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Boy, I consider myself a Conservative, but that had me as a Centrist right in the upper right corner,
I guess no test is perfect.
Proudly right at the intersection of Liberal, Centrist, and Libertarian.
Which means I will never actually get what I want, and if I ever become supreme dictator, my regime will last about 15 minutes.
But DAMN it’ll be a good 15 minutes!
I’m slightly more conservative, and slightly more libertarian than you, Jeff. Right one, add one, fire for effect.
I’m leaning slightly down and right of absolute libertarian, but I already knew that. Interestingly, I’ve moved further towards the middle of libertarian from the right than the last time I took this several years ago.
That test appears on a Libertarian website. It shouldn’t be surprising that the questions lead most respondents toward a Libertarian position, or that a “high” score in both the economic and personal sections means that a person is a Libertarian.
Libertarians are full of Pie-in-the-Sky bumper-sticker fantasy positions, such as “Cut taxes and government spending by 50% or more”, “Replace government welfare with private charity”, and “Let people control their own retirement”. I have never heard anyone present a rational explanation of why a “National ID card” would lead to some Orwellian big-brother nightmare. What’s a passport?
Libertarian positions are simplistic and their ideology sounds good on the surface. As long as you never have to implement them (by actually winning an election somewhere) you can hold yourself up as being intellectually superior to the major parties.
See how long the party lasts if they ever get to implement their crank ideas anywhere.
Justin is right, this site is put together by the Libertarian party and is intended to guide people toward that. A better measure of where you stand with historical perspective as well is the http://www.politicalcompass.org/
This picture says it all about politics in American – http://www.politicalcompass.org/usprimaries2007
I scored, as I always do on that test, as absolute Libertarian.
Yes, the quiz was written by the Libertarian party to illustrate that there are political ideals other than just Conservative and Liberal (which the two-party system has encouraged as fact). Whether the high-score means your libertarian or not, or whether the test seems too simplified, its point is let you know that there is another party out there. A party that doesn’t believe the government should be involved in every aspect of our lives, but limited to only its constitutional powers and nothing more.
Justin, a passport is a document you carry with you to foreign lands to act as your ID. You are required to carry it where ever you go in those lands, because their laws are different from ours and you may be asked to produce your “papers” at any moment. If you do not have them, you will be detained and inconvenienced, if not jailed. A National ID card, from all reports, is a document that you would be REQUIRED to carry with you everywhere you go in the United States. Not just when you’re driving a car, or cashing a check, but everywhere. Additionally, it has never been satisfactorily reported what information would be put on someone’s National ID card. This will likely include information most Americans consider private, and could result in increases in identity theft as well as take away rights from those who have criminal records by including that record in their ID.
I guess your argument to that would be: Well, if you’re not doing anything wrong, what’re you worried about? First off, if I have done nothing wrong, then I’m innocent until proven guilty according to our constitution, and the burden of proof is on the government, so why should I be forced to produce a card, particularly one that may include prior injunctions against me? Wouldn’t that immediately violate my fifth amendment rights? Also, what happens if someone stops me, demands my ID card, and I don’t have it? Am I arrested for not having the card? These are just a few questions that the proponents for this card have not answered to my satisfaction, and therefore keep me suspect of any altruistic intention they may have for the cards.
And maybe you find Libertarian ideals as a whole “crank”, but I am willing to bet, that at some point in your life, the government has or will intrude beyond what they were originally intended to in the Constitution. So the question is, which ideal is more “crank”? A government that supports and defends your rights to a private life of your own choosing (whether for your good or ill), according to laws set down for this country at its founding, and only steps in when your choices will affect other people’s life and/or liberty, or a government that pre-emptively interferes in your life, restricting everyone’s liberties for the good of all?
I scored Libertarian (though not as firmly) as well on the Political Compass test. I think that’s because Political Compass is a bit more comprehensive, and I don’t take an entirely Libertarian view on every issue. However, just because I don’t believe one or two of their ideas will work as they propose, doesn’t mean I think all of their ideas are worthless. Quite the contrary, rather.
I personally think this country needs to stop fighting the right-left battle and pay more attention to the Authoritarian-Libertarian battle.
Good lord, you guys comment on the weirdest stuff.
I threw this up as a fluff because I couldn’t decide on which MORE IMPORTANT thing to bitch about yesterday. LMAO. Bloggers are weird.
Oh, and JC, I think you ARE a crank, but, that’s ’cause I know you.
Oh shit. I’m an extremist libertarian. JIHA… JI.. …what’s the libertarian word for jihad, anyone know?
hmmm….
“Oh shit. I’m an extremist libertarian. JIHA… JI.. …what’s the libertarian word for jihad, anyone know?”
Um? ANARCHY!? Or maybe it’s RON PAUL REVOLUTION
HA! I agree with the Ron Paul Revolution. They, NOT HIM, his followers, NOT HIM, freak me the hell out. I kinda like him, in a crazy uncle kind of way, but his zealots … Jesus …
On the good one, I’m plumb in the middle of the Libertarian Left.
The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03
Nice linky, Marshall
RON PAUL! YEAGHHAAA! (thanks JC)